More Razor miscellany
Nov. 25th, 2007 07:56 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
sunnyskywalkerLess of the yay-new-canon! glow today.
So. Cain and Gina, Evil TV Lesbians who we know will shortly become Dead Evil TV Lesbians. Sorry, Ron, but having women talk to each other about something other than men and babies does not negate the ickiness of this.
ETA: Someone somewhere pointed out that Cain's abrupt decision to shoot the civilians' families while staring at imprisoned Gina makes a lot of Cain's craziness seem like a result of the Spurned Woman Syndrome. Ugh! And the abruptness of it all makes it seem like Cain had this potential to order gang-rapes lurking just below the surface rather than it being part of her totally snapping after months of shortages and deaths.
You know what would have been neat instead? If Gina had "helped" them through several crises first over the course of a few months, becoming ever-closer to Cain, the one rock she could rely on. And if Gina had known that she probably should encourage Cain's craziness, because it would eliminate the humans faster - but she just couldn't do it sometimes because seeing the cruelty and killing up close horrified her, so instead she often worked to pull Cain back from the edge instead. Then Cain finding out that Gina was a Cylon agent all along would have been a horrible betrayal, the loss of not just her lover but of her last scrap of human decency. Her whole world would have gone topsy-turvy, her conscience revealed to be a genocide-supporter working against her all along. Now that I could accept as something that would push Cain over the edge! /ETA
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure this needed to be at least an hour longer. They tried to fit in so much: the story of a new character and her transformation serving under Cain, Cain's legacy enduring under Lee's command, what happened on the Pegasus after the attack and how the crew became the bloodthirsty murdering rapists we know, Gina's sabotage and relationship with Cain, Lee's problems with being Adama's son, Kara's problems being in the military and either having to let people die or having her family be prepared to kill her, a bit of Adama's experience in the first war, a Cylon legend being real, and more about hybrids and Kara's Special Destiny? No wonder poor Kendra felt so underdeveloped. No wonder Cain's characterization seemed to get flatter rather than deeper. No wonder Kendra and the rest seemed to turn into mini-Cains almost immediately rather than taking time to do it, and no wonder things like discovering Gina's identity and the fleet-stripping happened about two days after the attack instead of taking some time. (Sorry, there aren't actually tough moral decisions and grayness here. We're just telling you it's there instead.) You know, it probably should have been the same length as the original miniseries, considering it's covering about the same amount of stuff.
Also, the part where Adama tells Lee how it's hard to say Cain or Kendra did anything tactically wrong just did not fly given what we saw. Because I saw Cain sacrifice about eight hundred people in an attack she knew was useless because she wanted revenge. Is that a tactically sound decision? Really, Bill? And "we could have turned out the same way, so let's let history judge instead of us... except, uh, we're going to be the first ones writing the history, so I guess we are judging, and let's give these psychos medals!" Well. That certainly does a good job of pointing out how stupid "let history judge" is (hello, "history" is not a person! it can't judge! you're just trying to pass the buck with that!), but it doesn't do Adama any favors.
But! At least we do have some cool bits. For instance, pretty much all the Kara/Kendra scenes were awesome. More Cylon creepiness and mystery was also awesome. And as this entry and this entry point out, it FINALLY makes sense how quickly Adama figured out that Leoben was a Cylon. Also, that second entry has a great explanation for how Razor makes Kara's sudden decision to quit the military and marry Sam make massive amounts of sense.
More links: longer explanations of why the irritating parts are so irritating here and here.
ETA: Someone somewhere pointed out that Cain's abrupt decision to shoot the civilians' families while staring at imprisoned Gina makes a lot of Cain's craziness seem like a result of the Spurned Woman Syndrome. Ugh! And the abruptness of it all makes it seem like Cain had this potential to order gang-rapes lurking just below the surface rather than it being part of her totally snapping after months of shortages and deaths.
You know what would have been neat instead? If Gina had "helped" them through several crises first over the course of a few months, becoming ever-closer to Cain, the one rock she could rely on. And if Gina had known that she probably should encourage Cain's craziness, because it would eliminate the humans faster - but she just couldn't do it sometimes because seeing the cruelty and killing up close horrified her, so instead she often worked to pull Cain back from the edge instead. Then Cain finding out that Gina was a Cylon agent all along would have been a horrible betrayal, the loss of not just her lover but of her last scrap of human decency. Her whole world would have gone topsy-turvy, her conscience revealed to be a genocide-supporter working against her all along. Now that I could accept as something that would push Cain over the edge! /ETA
The more I think about it, the more I'm sure this needed to be at least an hour longer. They tried to fit in so much: the story of a new character and her transformation serving under Cain, Cain's legacy enduring under Lee's command, what happened on the Pegasus after the attack and how the crew became the bloodthirsty murdering rapists we know, Gina's sabotage and relationship with Cain, Lee's problems with being Adama's son, Kara's problems being in the military and either having to let people die or having her family be prepared to kill her, a bit of Adama's experience in the first war, a Cylon legend being real, and more about hybrids and Kara's Special Destiny? No wonder poor Kendra felt so underdeveloped. No wonder Cain's characterization seemed to get flatter rather than deeper. No wonder Kendra and the rest seemed to turn into mini-Cains almost immediately rather than taking time to do it, and no wonder things like discovering Gina's identity and the fleet-stripping happened about two days after the attack instead of taking some time. (Sorry, there aren't actually tough moral decisions and grayness here. We're just telling you it's there instead.) You know, it probably should have been the same length as the original miniseries, considering it's covering about the same amount of stuff.
Also, the part where Adama tells Lee how it's hard to say Cain or Kendra did anything tactically wrong just did not fly given what we saw. Because I saw Cain sacrifice about eight hundred people in an attack she knew was useless because she wanted revenge. Is that a tactically sound decision? Really, Bill? And "we could have turned out the same way, so let's let history judge instead of us... except, uh, we're going to be the first ones writing the history, so I guess we are judging, and let's give these psychos medals!" Well. That certainly does a good job of pointing out how stupid "let history judge" is (hello, "history" is not a person! it can't judge! you're just trying to pass the buck with that!), but it doesn't do Adama any favors.
But! At least we do have some cool bits. For instance, pretty much all the Kara/Kendra scenes were awesome. More Cylon creepiness and mystery was also awesome. And as this entry and this entry point out, it FINALLY makes sense how quickly Adama figured out that Leoben was a Cylon. Also, that second entry has a great explanation for how Razor makes Kara's sudden decision to quit the military and marry Sam make massive amounts of sense.
More links: longer explanations of why the irritating parts are so irritating here and here.